AAh, looks nice, my favorite colour... But does anyone know if it should or should not have the winglets at the front (following the debacle on the limited edition twin box version)??

 

The car in question is not a 330P4. Its chassis number 0850 which is a 412P/P3/4 that raced at Spa 1000km on 1st May 1967 it DNF. It should have one vent on the front not two. I also believe it had carnards (winglets).
Basically any '330P4' that is not overall Red or Red with a yellow stripe is a 412P(P3/4).
Regards Allan

 

Well, you raise an interesting point.

Racer certainly have this car down as a 412P - 1000km Spa in 1967.

However, racingsportscars.com has that self-same car down as a 330P3/4, chassis #850.

I think that's because the 412P's were in fact unfinished 330P3's that were then finished with some of the P4 specifications, but without the P4's fuel injection mentioned in the blurb for this car. Power was about 30bhp lower. Chassis #850 was in fact one of the factory original 412Ps made as a customer car (of which I think they made only 2).

The big differences between the P4 and the P3 bodies are:
- the number of vents on the front - Scalextric had that right on the red ones (4 plus the two big ones), but not on the yellow one (3 plus the two big ones)
- the height difference between the bottom of the drivers door and the bottom of the engine cover - Scalextric had that wrong on the red ones (the engine cover should be higher), but right on this yellow one (the same height - which Racer managed to overlook on their models)

So if you're picky, both sets of models are wrong!

My biggest complaint though is that those hubs are just way too small. Look at the real car here
or here and you'll see what I mean. Same with the red ones. At least I could replace the wheels on my red/yellow P4 with Fly Ferrari 512 hubs (which also gives a better rear tyre width too)...

So it's definitely not a 'pure' P4.

 

winglets or not, I like the car. Got the Racer street version in yellow, good to see the affordable alternative is here!! hope its limited on 50.000 pieces or so

 

Not keen on this. yellow with blue wheels doesn't suit it somehow. Riko?

 

looks nice, but why blue wheels? WHY??....

 

The 1967 412P was the official factory name for the uprated P3; they were fitted with 330P4 bodies. They were called P3/4 by the private teams that raced them. This meant they could use the wider wheels for the P4
Compared to the P4 a P3 body had a different headlight cover shape and their was no intergrated spoiler on the back just small spoilers either side of the rear. Indeed the P3 spyder had scoops and these other features to distinguish it from its P4 successor.
Compared to the Lucas injected 36 valve 330P4 the 412P (P3/4's ) only had 24 valves and no Lucas injection so were rated at some 30hp down from the three true P4's and one P3 buck factory Spyder P4.
The P3 uprated to 412P/P3/4 identified by having the bottom of the doors level with the base of the rear deck lid. This included the first factory P4 Spyder (that used a P3 as a buck for completion). The three true P4 had a raised rear deck to allow for the extra valves. And like V8Vantage has already stated the 412P/P3/4 (same car) has one vent on the middle of its front. The true P4's having two. And those dished blue wheels are what the 330P3 ran on the previous 1966 season.
regards Allan

 

Wrong wheels, unless they ran both types during the race?

 

i like the fly ones better to be honest

 

Uhhh....fly doesn't make this car?

 

QUOTE (PeteN @ 15 Apr 2007, 02:53) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Uhhh....fly doesn't make this car?

I think he means the wheels

Gjb52

 

Hello Everyone

I too was confused about the difference between the 330P3, P4 and 412. It's my favourite classic racing car, so I wanted to learn a little more about it.

The yellow car that V8Vantage has a link to in his posting, is indeed the real car that the Scalextric one above is modeled after. It was the 330P3 Ecurie Francochamp car from 1966-67. This car has a V12 engine with 6 twin Weber carburators, making it officially a P3.

This car is one of many Ferraris featured in a program series seen here in America called "Ferrari, Victory by Design." In the footage of this particular car, mechanics are preparing the car for host, and former race driver Alain de Cadenet to test drive. The engine cover (or bonnet) is up, exposing the engine, which Alain mentioned has twin Weber carberators... It was never upgraded with fuel injection. The P4's had a V12 engine, but with a larger capsity than the P3, and had Lucas fuel injection. The 412s were P3s, with engines smaller than the P4s, but with fuel injection replacing the carburators. But, according to the Victory by Design DVD, this yellow car is a P3.

You can order the Victory by Design DVDs at their website: www.victorybydesign.com

 

I believe that this is the wheel that has been modelled:

It is on a different ferrari, I have no idea whether it was used on the P4 or P3, or in this race, but it seems that just about all the other die cast and slot makers (Racer) seem to put these blue wheels on the yellow ferraris.

 

QUOTE (mtalley @ 19 Apr 2007, 18:08) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>The yellow car that V8Vantage has a link to in his posting, is indeed the real car that the Scalextric one above is modeled after. It was the 330P3 Ecurie Francochamp car from 1966-67. This car has a V12 engine with 6 twin Weber carburators, making it officially a P3.

This car is one of many Ferraris featured in a program series seen here in America called "Ferrari, Victory by Design." In the footage of this particular car, mechanics are preparing the car for host, and former race driver Alain de Cadenet to test drive. The engine cover (or bonnet) is up, exposing the engine, which Alain mentioned has twin Weber carberators... It was never upgraded with fuel injection. The P4's had a V12 engine, but with a larger capsity than the P3, and had Lucas fuel injection. The 412s were P3s, with engines smaller than the P4s, but with fuel injection replacing the carburators. But, according to the Victory by Design DVD, this yellow car is a P3.
You can see the bodywork with the front vents - and the wheels as modeled from the 1966 Spa 1000km as shown on www.racingsportscars.com here. This car is definitely not from that year's race because number 11 was a Porsche. But you can still see that the Scaley hubs are way too small.

One great thing about these Ferrari's is that because there were so few, a lot is known about the individual cars based on their chassis numbers. I'm sure that as GT40MKII says (corroborated by racingsportscars) this is chassis #850 - and that makes it what the factory officially called a 412P - a customer car. And the 412P's had the fuel injection replaced with carbs by the factory and so had less power, so that although the cars could win points, they wouldn't beat the factory team...

There's a clear description of the differences between the 'P' models here, but the information is repeated on many car and Ferrari enthusiast sites.

 

As far as I can gather and to simplify

1) There were 4 official factory 1967 330P4
2) The first 1967 330P4 Spyder used a 1966 330P3 as its base. Original spyder bodywork as P3/4 412P
3) This means that only three true 1967 330P4 were made (0856,0858 and 0860).
4) There is no difference between a 330P3/4 and a 412P they are the same cars,
5) 1967 330P3/4 is what the privateers called the factory named 412P
6) All 1967 330P3/4 (412P) were converted 1966 330P3
7) The dished wheels were used on the 1966 330P3 even as the yellow one has this may be due to supply problems with the new five spokes.
8) The 1967 330P4 body allowed the use of the five spoke aluminium/magnesium wheels Campagnolo.
9) The 1967 330P4 cars wheelbase was shortened by an inch and its track was also changed but increased by one inch front and .06 inch rear these were against the original sizes for the 330P3.
10) The 3 works 1966 330P3 were converted into the P3/4 or 412P
with P4 bodywork
Campagnolo five spoke mag alloy wheels
they retained ZF gearboxes until the Ferrari ones were available
two valve per cylinder carberetted 330P4 litre V12 engines (the 330P4's had 3 valves per cylinder)
11) These 1967 P3/4 (412P) where supplied to NART 0844, Encurie Franchamps 0850 (yellow with Blue wheels) and
Marranello Concessionaires 0854.
12) Early in the season 0846 was reworked into a near P4 trim by Maranello for their own works team
13) visual id difference between the three 1967 330P4's and the P3/4 412P
330P4 The rear deck lid is higher than the bottom of the door. The 330P3, 412P (P3/4) lid is level with bottom of door
330P4 There are two ducts on the upmost front of the car. The 330P3, 412P (P3/4) only have one centred on the front

Some of my info is from Ferrari by Hans Tanner And Doug Nye 6th edition
I hope this simply things
Regards Allan

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